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The literary program "Tsakhnagebi" under the rubric "Genre" offers a conversation about the origin of modern literature. This is the literature that speaks about its modernity for the first time. That literature was born during the Enlightenment. Here we could mention many people from Galileo to Spinoza. What Plato was to antiquity, Immanuel Kant is to modernity. The modern world was created by a man who hardly left his small town, did not know the world, but knew us, the people, best of all. Why did Plato think that remaining in immaturity is our fault, but we can get out of it if we are not lazy and lazy; Why Plato associated education with courage, why he pushed us to get out of the comfort zone, why he gave us up on guardians and why he bequeathed us sapere aude ("dare to think"), what is the difference between the private and public consumption of the mind - all this will be discussed in the program.