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The meeting took place during the VII edition of the Festival del classico. with Telmo Pievani // philosopher of biology, University of Padua The old age of the Earth, the finitude of all things, the passing of human ages, the illusions of the mind to console itself, the atomistic vision: Lucretius' poem is pregnant with the future. In De rerum natura an analogy between atoms and letters, words and things, language and reality: the universe is written in a code, it is intelligible. We must not attribute modern intuitions to the ancients, but for Lucretius anachronism almost vanishes. For his idea of nature, he seems like a contemporary. In the minority even today. Inconvenient as always.