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“The scenario that is worrying is one in which Trump starts to have a new policy for Latin America that recreates the 'Monroe Doctrine' and starts demanding that Brazil clip the wings of China's economic operations in the country. If that happens, we will have a difficult scenario. (...) What we need today, in relation to Trump, is something similar to the visit that Lula made to Bush in December 2002, before he even took office.” In the vacation reissues of Reconversa, we highlight some excerpts from the formidable chat with Matias Spektor, the full version of which was aired on July 23, 2024. Understand the new global (dis)order and the risks of a multipolar world with Spektor, this Argentine-born Bahian who is the founder, full professor and vice-director of the School of International Relations at the Getúlio Vargas Foundation. With a PhD from the University of Oxford, he was a visiting researcher at some of the most prominent centers of excellence in international relations and collaborates with the most important publications in the world in this area.