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This is the fourth lecture of our new course, prepared jointly with @VEB.RF. Why are there two Russias and what kind of Russias are they? How do average individualism and average collectivism coexist in Russia and what does this even mean? Which of the two paths for the country's development is more profitable? Doctor of Economics Alexander Auzan talks about I-Russia, K-Russia and their competition. *** Arzamas is an educational project about the history of culture https://arzamas.academy/. You can listen to our courses and podcasts in the "Radio Arzamas" app http://arzamas.academy/radio. And in order not to miss new materials, follow us on social networks: Instagram: / arzamas.academy FB: / arzamas.academy VK: https://vk.com/arzamas.academy Twitter: / arzamas_academy Telegram: https://t.me/ArzamasLive