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Either progressives decipher the world that exists or they will be devoured by the far right. This applies to Brazil and to the entire democratic world. The person guiding us through the circles of hell of the rise of the far right and the crisis of democracies is philosopher Renato Janine Ribeiro, former Minister of Education, now president of the Brazilian Society for the Advancement of Science. This is a fascinating conversation about morality, ethics, lies and truth in the age of networks. Not to be missed.