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This is ultimately a rather personal interview that Boris Cyrulnik granted me for the 20th anniversary of the Media Trainer Blog (https://le-blog-du-mediatrainer.fr/). The principle of the scapegoat, violence among boys, links between Jean Genet and Palestine, autobiographical memory... One thing led to another, and the author of Quarante voleurs en carence affective (https://amzn.to/4cwgJnS) returned to the collective discourses that make the news. So, in this period between the two rounds of the 2024 legislative elections, we discussed politics, made up of emotions, reactions, and subjectivity. Stories from the far left and the far right. Their leaders Jean-Luc Mélenchon and Jordan Bardella, as well as the way they speak in public. The role of the media and social networks in reinforcing totalitarian language. A fascinating interview that will delight journalists, communicators, sociologists, historians, educators, parents... And beyond that, all hunters of wisdom.