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I spoke with two pastor friends. One of them is a long-time pastor, who has also been my pastor, Carlos Bregantim, who has been in ministry longer than I have, and the other, one of the most inspiring pastors of the new generation, Victor Azevedo. This conversation is a warm-up for our annual Pastoral Conversations conference, which will take place on November 1st and 2nd in São Paulo. Learn more and register at www.conversaspastorais.com Welcome to our conversation circle!