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I resume the dialogue with Emanuele Felice on the Italian crisis. It seems that we see it quite differently but let's try to talk to each other anyway. There will have to be other episodes. In this one you will find the following topics (the minutes indicated are approximate because we have returned frequently to the same topic). [00:00 - 32:00] How much of the GDP and the Italian economy are controlled by the state, or by the political system? [32:00 - 50:00] Pension spending, does it cause harm or not? [50:00 - 55:00] Interlude [55:00 - End] Tax system, tax evasion, how to fight it.