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The fifth episode of the video podcast “Six Artists of the 20th Century”. Arzamas editor-in-chief Philipp Dzyadko and general director of the Tretyakov Gallery Zelfira Tregulova talk about Tair Salakhov, his “Portrait of Composer Kara Karaev” and why one should not divide the art of the USSR into official and unofficial. The conversation was recorded in the fall of 2021. The project was created together with the New Tretyakov Gallery as part of the Museum Without Borders charity program of the Vladimir Potanin Charitable Foundation. *** Arzamas is an educational project about the history of culture https://arzamas.academy/. Our courses and podcasts can be listened to in the “Radio Arzamas” app http://arzamas.academy/radio. And in order not to miss new materials, follow us on social networks: Telegram: https://t.me/ArzamasLive Newsletter: https://arzamas.academy/#signup VK: https://vk.com/arzamas.academy Twitter: / arzamas_academy