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Gerhard Papenfus, Chief Executive of NEASA, talks to Dawie Roodt, chief economist of the Efficient Group and popular presenter on Ontbytsake. Dawie shares his insights on South Africa's economic challenges, the levels of government debt, and the possible financial implications for taxpayers in the current climate. Podcast: https://bit.ly/sdsdi069 This episode is made possible by NEASA an organization that protects and promotes the interests of employers. Visit https://www.neasa.co.za for more information.