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György Surányi, the former president of the National Bank, a key player in the economic policy of the regime change and the subsequent period, claims: without the capitalist transition, there would have been a much greater recession than what we experienced anyway after the regime change. In his life journey interview, he told us about how this transformation was intellectually prepared, why he is convinced of the superiority of capitalism, why he respects Marx as a great thinker, and what are the social aspects that were enforced or should have been enforced even within the logic of the market economy. We evaluated the economic policy of the governments after 1990, discussed why the Bokros package is still considered an important step, what was good and what was ill-considered from Péter Medgyessy's welfare measures, and what was his responsibility in the foreign currency credit crisis. In addition, it also became clear what my answer was on that late spring day when Ferenc Gyurcsány confidentially called me aside between the two election rounds, saying that there is a small problem with the budget deficit, we should figure out what to do... 00:00 Youth: Jewishness, military service, movies, relationship with America 21:45 The intellectual hinterland of the regime change, the Financial Research Institute 38:05 Capitalist transition 1:09:28 Under Antall at the head of the central bank 1:17:12 Bokros-Surányi package, second central bank presidency 1:27:51 Péter Medgyessy , the politician 1:40:55 The chaotic Gyurcsány era 1:52:54 Foreign currency lending 2:02:09 Orbán and the NER's economic policy 2:17:46 What does the transition say to the losers? Support the work of Partizán! https://csapat.partizanmedia.hu/fundr... Watch, read, listen - every Friday morning: https://pentekreggel.hu Subscribe to Partizán's newsletter: https://csapat.partizanmedia.hu/forms.. Facebook: / partizanpolitika Facebook chat group: / partizantarsalgo Instagram: / partizanpolitika TikTok: / partizan_media Partizán RSS: https://rss.com/podcasts/partizan-pod... Partizán self-produced podcasts: https://rss.com /podcasts/partizanpodc... More about other support options: https://www.partizanmedia.hu/tamogatas