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Evil figures make excellent subjects for novels, as we know, and we will verify this again with Guillaume Durand's two guests for this issue of his show "Au bonheur des livres" with Caroline de Mulder, who is publishing "La pouponnière de Himmler" (Himmler's nursery) at Gallimard, and Lionel Duroy, who presents "Sommes-nous devenu des criminels? Vie du maréchal Paulus" (Editions Mialet-Barrault). What could interest a writer today in a historical figure from a period that has already been covered many times? This is the question that can indeed be asked, when Lionel Duroy deals for example with the famous Paulus, the officer who led the German troops at the Battle of Stalingrad... Is it the ever-renewed news of the war? The challenge for a novelist to confront the mysterious reality of a being caught up in the turmoil of history, and who goes through it on the wrong side? These issues are found for Caroline de Mulder, when she puts to the test of fiction the terrible subject of these "nurseries" imagined by the sinister Himmler during the Second World War, in order to promote the reproduction of the "Aryan race". Doesn't historical reality surpass, here, the most nightmarish of fictions? It is no easy matter to debate it, as we can see, and it will be all the more exciting to listen to Guillaume Durand's conversation with these two talented writers, whose aesthetic demands do not prevent moral conscience, nor historical scruples... Here is a program to combine the pleasure of thinking with the joy of reading! Guests: Caroline de Mulder, "Himmler's Nursery" Ed. Gallimard Lionel Duroy, "Sommes-nous devenu des criminels? Vie du maréchal Paulus" Eds. Mialet-Barra Year of Production: 2023