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My guest is Pavel Zaika, a clinical and oncopsychologist, a provocative psychologist, a trainer of the PSY2.0 method, in which I studied as part of my diploma course. I was with Pasha during supervisions and mentoring, and Pasha was sometimes very supportive, sometimes provocatively tough, and I still haven’t answered the question for myself - what is Pasha really like. And, it’s worth saying, this topic is revealed to the maximum in the podcast. A separate point is how specialists come to oncopsychology in general and what helps in working with such clients.