I. Ostretsov has repeatedly stated that he can easily prove the impossibility of controlled thermonuclear fusion ("Thermonuclear fusion") based on simple physics. Here, in the presence of professional nuclear physicists, he was given such an opportunity. Fragments of the discussion about "thermonuclear fusion" after I.N. Ostretsov's lecture on the Chernobyl accident at the HF seminar in 2019. The full recording of the seminar is here: • Who, how and why blew up Chernobyl?: ... FOR THE SAKE OF JUSTICE: Fyodor Zaitsev (at 0:20) is NOT a physicist, although he is a doctor of physical and mathematical sciences and a professor at Moscow State University. All his life he has been engaged in mathematical modeling of plasma in TOKAMAKS (thermonuclear fusion is his "bread"). It is possible that in the process of work he became a physicist to some extent, but his initial education is applied mathematics and programming (Computer Cybernetics, Moscow State University). Valery Zatelepin (with a beard, 10:07) - yes, a physicist, PhD (candidate of technical sciences). He graduated from the same faculty at MIPT as I. Ostretsov. Unfortunately, I cannot find information about his track record. INLIS is his own company consisting of 4 people. It is known that he studied plasma in MHD generators for about 10 years, in particular plasma radiation (radiation losses). Oleg Egorov (at 1:57) is a nuclear physicist, candidate of physical and mathematical sciences, senior researcher at ITEP (Institute of Theoretical and Experimental Physics, now part of the Russian National Research Center “Kurchatov Institute” - ITEP). He also teaches at MAI. Associate Professor. Viktor Sharkov (at 5:12) is a nuclear physicist (and laser physicist), a graduate of MEPhI. Doctor of Technical Sciences, professor, inventor. Author of 45 patents and 30 books. Leading researcher at the Kurchatov Institute of Atomic Energy (IAE), Troitsk Institute of Innovative and Thermonuclear Research (TRINITI). Expert in alternative energy and diagnostics of physical processes. Author of the article "Bullshit in Science - a Brake on Russia's Development" (V.F. Sharkov died a year after this seminar. May he be remembered kindly.) Apparently, all these people are interested in "alternative science", i.e. what other, "ordinary", specialists consider pseudoscience. FOR INFORMATION: The cost of building ITER (International Thermonuclear Reactor) is currently 22 billion euros FOR 15 YEARS (2010-2025). This is less than $24 billion FOR 15 YEARS. And this is for 41 countries participating in the project. More details: The shares of the participants will be distributed as follows: China, India, the Republic of Korea, Russia, and the United States — 1/11 of the amount each; Japan — 2/11; the European Union as a whole — 4/11. In July 2010, due to changes in the design and rising costs of materials, the cost of building the ITER reactor was adjusted and increased to 15 billion euros. In November 2015, the completion date for ITER was moved up another 6 years (from the previously planned 2019) to 2025, and the estimated cost increased to 19 billion euros. The Russian side will invest 14.4 billion rubles (about $500 million) in the project from 2013 to 2015: 5.6 billion rubles in 2013, 4.8 billion in 2014, and 3.99 billion in 2015[47]. Countries are not financed by transferring money, but by supplying high-tech equipment, the production of which is supported and developed by each country (for example, Russia supplies superconducting magnets, plasma heating devices, blankets and other high-tech equipment) [48]. FOR COMPARISON: Over the past 15 years, the total US expenditure on “defense” has amounted to ~$12,000 billion. And the US share in ITER is 1/11 of the total expenditure and does not exceed 2 billion euros. That is, for the US, ITER expenditures will amount to ~1/6000 of military expenditures (~0.02%). For the Russian Federation, ITER expenditures will amount to approximately ~1/350 of military expenditures (0.3%). The contribution is made by materials and structures.