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Cornald Maas has had a very healthy 2024 and talks about it openly. What about that conflict with Albert Verlinde? Can he already reveal who will go to Eurovision this year? Was it really a question whether the Netherlands would participate again and why was the selection committee sidelined in the reselection of Joost Klein. Does he regret his statement against the EBU? What does he think of Joost not going anymore, and could that decision have been made earlier? Should good media training be needed for Eurovision artists and should countries be excluded due to war? Plus Cornald's view on whether the National Song Festival should come back. You hear it, little about Eurovision in the new episode of the Lightless Lounge! ;-). A new episode every two weeks on Wednesday! Give away Charlotte Tilbury: / About the Lightless Lounge: Nikkie de Jager and Wes van Os invite you to participate in a unique podcast experience, the Lightless Lounge. A podcast that is recorded in complete darkness. We turned off the lights to fully focus on what really matters - the conversation. Lights out, ears open, welcome to the Lightless Lounge. Shout out: Edit / visuals: Roy Etman Leader voice: Elske de Wall