This episode contains dialogue in English and Portuguese. You can activate your preferred subtitles (Portuguese or English) in the video menu. Deities evoked from places as far away as India and Brazil manifest themselves in the bamboo grove of the Rio de Janeiro Botanical Garden. Like a vegetal cathedral, the clearing of leaves receives only two benches made by Anapuatã Mehinako. Sitting there, Ailton and Satish talk about life and its transmutation. The network here is invisible, an underground rhizome and a spiritual web through which the forces of renewing destruction and radical love travel. Who is Shiva? Who is the hummingbird? In the fifth episode of the series “Conversa na Rede”, Ailton Krenak and Satish Kumar meet in the bamboo grove of the Rio de Janeiro Botanical Garden. The conversation features musical participation by Amora Pêra and illustrations by Aza made live during the conversation between Ailton and Satish. AILTON KRENAK is a thinker, environmentalist and an important voice of indigenous movements. Together with Dantes Editora, he created Selvagem, a series of studies on life. He lives in the village of Krenak, on the banks of the Doce River, in Minas Gerais. He is the author of several books, including “Um rio um Pássaro” (Dantes Editora), “Ideias para adiar o fim do mundo” (Ideas to postpone the end of the world) and “Futuro Ancestral” (Companhia das Letras). In 2022, he was elected immortal by the Brazilian Academy of Letters. SATISH KUMAR is an activist for Peace and the environment. Born in India in 1936, he was a Jain monk and followed Gandhi in campaigns for agrarian reform in India. At the age of twenty, he began a long pilgrimage around the world for Peace. He was one of the founders of Schumacher College, in England, an international center for ecological studies, where he continues to work as a visiting professor. He also teaches workshops and lectures on ecology and education around the world. AMORA PÊRA writes poems, songs and produces sounds for himself, for others, and for the stage. She sings, performs, and is also a theater person. That is how she lives. She has collaborated with artists from various fields and has released, among others, the books “Saudade de mim a gente” (cartonerA cArAAtApA), “Quando a cavala deita” (7Letras), and the solo album “A dúpé - Nós obrigadomos em Iorubá”. In partnership with Guga Ferraz, she published “BOTE” by Dantes Editora. AZA conducts graphic research investigating imaginary living systems and intersections between arts and sciences. ________________________________ Direction: Anna Dantes Production: Madeleine Deschamps Production assistants: Daniel Grimoni and Alice Faria Musical participation: Amora Pêra, singing “Pèrègún o – Orin Orixá” Guest artist: Aza Animation: Luciano Gomes FILMING Cinematography: Rafael Rolim Cameras: Rafael Rolim, Lucca Pougy, Jota Prado and Mauricio Machado Direct sound: Toninho Muricy Camera assistants: Jean-Baptiste Deschamps and Mauricio Machado Photography: Miguel Casanova Editing and finalization: Gabriel Ingber Consecutive translation: Fernanda Vidal Subtitles: NOZ Audiovisual Wooden benches: Anapuatã Mehinako - Tucum Brasil Acknowledgements: Amanda Santana, Bia Tadema, Carol Comandulli, Digo Fiães, Schumacher Brazil School, Rio de Janeiro Botanical Garden Research Institute, Lídia Vales, Lívia King, Marcos Nadruz, Pedro Rocha and Viviane Fonseca-Kruel All Selvagem activities and materials are shared free of charge. For those who wish to give back, we invite you to financially support Escolas Vivas at www.selvagemciclo.com.br/colabore