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This is an excerpt from the special News Top 150 of BNR Nieuwradio. Guests are former Speaker of the House Gerdi Verbeet and NRC journalist Petra de Koning. The presenter is Liesbeth Staats. The conversation looks back on Mark Rutte's premiership and the farewell he said this year. Thumbnail: ANP Do you need more BNR in your life? Then also check out our podcasts and articles: https://www.bnr.nl/ Also follow us on other social media: Instagram: / bnrnieuwsradio TikTok: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZML5nvq2A/ Twitter: / bnr Facebook: / bnr.nieuwsradio LinkedIn: / bnr-nieuwsradio Download the BNR app: https://www.bnr.nl/app