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In the Tegenlicht Toekomstverkenners series, we go in search of traces of the future in the present with ten inspiring speakers. In this video, we do this with biologist and primatologist Frans de Waal. He has specialized in behavior and cognition in great apes for many years. 'We think we are something different, but we are in fact great apes. We cannot be fundamentally different from an animal.' Director: William de Bruijn Editing: Ilija Bozovic Animation: Julia Veldman Camera: Jeroen Klokgieters Sound: Pepijn Aben Production: Koos van de Merbel, Marie Schutgens & Nina Suijkerbuijk More future stories? Follow us here: Website: https://tegenlicht.vpro.nl/ Instagram: / vpro_tegenlicht Facebook: / vprotegenlicht Twitter: / vprotegenlicht Meet-ups: https://www.vpro.nl/programmas/tegenl... Viewing guide: All ages