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Former deputy of the Artsakh parliament and former minister Hayk Khanumyan believes that after entering the war against Ukraine in 2022, there was no de facto Russia in Artsakh. In an interview with journalist and editor-in-chief of "Alik Media" Tatul Hakobyan, Khanumyan provides details from his conversation with Arayik Harutyunyan in September 2023, which relate to possible Baku-Stepanakert negotiations.