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Chronicles comes with a new format experiment. From the usual Q&A, now Bagus tries to be the "devil's advocate" of the thesis brought by the guest star—taking a position opposite to the argument and exploring the edge of the abyss of his ideas. More than that, Bagus also offers his thoughts to be tested in the discourse. We deliberately present this format for two purposes. First, to produce and distribute a fresh synthesis of the results of a healthy battle of ideas. Second, to invite friends to revive the spirit of consensus that upholds progressive dialogue—even though we have to "agree to disagree." This conversation between Bagus Muljadi and Rocky Gerung is part of the Endgame Town Hall conference held on September 14, 2024. #Chronicles #BagusMuljadi #RockyGerung ------------------- Other Chronicles episodes you might like: • Stop Being Dictated by the State. Train Your Mindset... • Sabrang: Science and Religion Are Not Always... • Bintang Emon: Comedy is a Form of Criticism... --------------------- Notes and references for the conversation on Chronicles: https://sgpp.me/knowledgebank --------------------- For collaboration and cooperation invitations, contact us here: https://sgpp.me/contactus --------------------- Section 00:00 - Intro 01:37 - Ideas are debated, not believed in 06:46 - "This country was born through narrative fights" 11:03 - Pancasila's uncertainty 19:18 - Stages of Indonesian politics 27:36 - Universities' submission to practical politics 34:39 - Pancasila's failure as a moral guide 44:05 - Exploitation of nature = exploitation of women's wombs 56:50 - Individual freedom, not individual interests