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MAPER online Permaculture Club event The recently published article “We don’t ask for trees here!” (https://24.hu/tudomany/2020/05/03/els...) sparked a thought-provoking discussion in the Hungarian Permaculture Association (MAPER) friends group. The main claim of the research behind the article is that in the desertifying Homokhátság, forests such as pine or native poplar draw water from the soil, thus contributing to the desertification process. In our second online permaculture club this year, we explored the question of responsible afforestation and water management in desertified areas affected by climate change, such as the Homokhátság. Among our discussion partners, we welcomed biologist Csaba Tölgyesi, the lead researcher of the work behind the published article (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/f...). Csaba briefly summarized the main message of their research. Human ecologist Péter Kajner, horticultural engineer and permaculture farmer Béla Baji, and forestry engineer József Fidlóczky also commented on the research. The central questions of the discussion were: 1. What is responsible afforestation like in the Homokhátság? 2. What makes afforestation permacultural? The event was jointly moderated by horticultural engineer Zita Szalai, member of the MAPER research working group, and social researcher Dorottya Mendly, member of the MAPER social working group.