The world will finally begin to perceive Kazimir Malevich as a Ukrainian artist when, in order to see his best works, you will have to come to Kyiv, - believes Ukrainian artist Pavlo Makov. And he adds that they love the strong and beautiful, so we need to take care of such an image of Ukraine. Pavlo Makov has a workshop in Kharkiv, creates etchings, his works are exhibited by leading museums in London, New York, Washington. In 2022, he represented Ukraine at the Venice Biennale with the project "Fountain of Exhaustion. High Water". How do art and identity intersect? What should we focus on in the representation of Ukraine? Why should we not paint over mutilated bulletproof vests? See all this in the interview with the "Doteper" project. The project is implemented within the framework of the Information Resilience Program of Ukrainian Civil Society with the support of IREX in Ukraine. We also thank the gallery of contemporary Ukrainian art The Naked Room for the space provided for the photo shoot of this episode. -------------------- 👉 Read the text interview with Pavel Makov on our website: https://www.ukrainer.net/pavlo-makov/ 🔔 Subscribe to the channel and turn on notifications so you don't miss new interviews 👀 More Ukraїner videos — on the main channel: / @ukrainernet 👉 Support our work with a messenger donation, or a regular subscription to MonoBase: https://base.monobank.ua/994LJJE7LgRydz 📗 When buying our merch and books, 30% of the cost goes to supporting our work: https://store.ukrainer.net/ Follow the host Yulia Tymoshenko on Instagram: / yulia_tymosha -------------------- Timecodes: 00:00:00 — Pavlo Makov about Ukrainian geniuses, emotion in art and provinciality 00:01:29 — How Pavlo Makov's Ukrainian identity was formed 00:09:49 — When he felt like a Ukrainian artist 00:15:41 — Was there a desire to go and work in the Russian Federation, like other artists 00:21:31 — What was Kharkiv like at the beginning of Pavlo Makov's career, and were there traces of Ukrainian culture there? 00:29:54 — How did the identity of Kharkiv change 00:36:51 — What are the differences in the identities of the regions of Ukraine, and why? 00:51:09 — Ukrainian visual culture: from icon painting to modernity 01:06:39 — Culture as the foundation of the state 01:23:41 — How modern war affects culture 01:32:43 — Scare with art is a delusion. Life is a million times scarier. 01:35:17 — The Cossack myth gave birth to folk artists — Polina Rayko, Maria Prymachenko 01:42:09 — Why do refugees return to temporarily occupied territories 01:51:17 — How the Russian Empire appropriated Ukrainian artists 01:58:12 — How did Ukraine influence Russian artists 02:06:56 — Can Ukraine “reclaim” its artists appropriated by Russia? 02:09:14 — The place of Ukrainian avant-garde artists in world culture 02:14:23 — The fate and legacy of the Ukrainian “renaissance” 02:26:02 — How socialist realism filled the void after the “shot-out renaissance” 02:30:18 — What distinguishes the Ukrainian mentality from the Russian and other Soviet ones 02:38:30 — What will the Ukraine of the future be like?