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How do you actually measure skills like creativity? OECD Education Director Andreas Schleicher knows the answer to this. He is known in the education world as one of the inventors of the PISA study. PISA now also deals with interdisciplinary skills. Jacob Chammon therefore spoke to Andreas about how future skills can be recorded and tested and what the testing culture of the future might look like. In the video series "Bildungsbabbel" Jacob Chammon, Managing Director of the Deutsche Telekom Foundation, speaks with interesting guests about various education topics.