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Iris Berben is such an unreal figure that you first have to understand that she really exists when she sits in a podcast studio (even though she took the rat off her shoulder for the meeting). And then the conversation begins and you get the feeling that two people are meeting at the garden fence. At the garden fence of commonalities. There is an age at which you start to think about quitting. Who decides when it's time to "finish work" and when does the audience decide that you're irrelevant? And isn't that linked to an intrinsic motivation that is transferred to the outside world? Berben and Krömer aren't full yet. Neither are we. This conversation whets your appetite for interpersonal relationships. Send feedback, comments or greetings to [email protected] Continue in FEELINGS DELUXE! - Listen now to the exclusive bonus episode with Iris Berben only on Amazon Music: https://amzn.to/Feelings-Deluxe-Iris Connect with Wondery http://wondery.com/shows / wonderymedia / wonderymedia / wonderymedia #Wondery #KurtKrömer #IrisBerben #podcast #interview