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Morena Carvalho, a partner at BTG Pactual, had come out to her friends and family the previous year, when she broke up with her boyfriend at the time and started dating a friend. The year she considered taking her then-partner to the company's end-of-year party, she didn't know any other lesbian women at BTG. Thiago Veras, HR director at Empiricus, came out as gay early in his career, encouraged by an employee training program at Natura, where he worked at the time. In this episode, we talk to both of them about the LGBTQIA+ community in São Paulo.