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Military historian Jüri Kočinev will be visiting in this episode of the objective's talk show series "Välgatuse". A man with an interesting origin and life history talks about his roots and ancestors and helps to decipher the question of why people from another cultural space are often greater Estonian patriots than Estonians themselves. The conversation is moderated by Indrek Petersoo. Video production of the Lens portal. See also https://objektiiv.ee.