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In this conversation, Frank Barat and Eyal Sivan discuss the current situation in Israel and Palestine, focusing on the implications of Israel’s actions, the role of Western support, and the complexities of Israeli society’s perception of peace. They explore the historical context of Israeli policies, the impact of trauma on Israeli citizens, and the motivations behind the actions of groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah. The discussion concludes with a critical examination of the economic interests that perpetuate the conflict and the need to reevaluate the Israeli-Palestinian narrative. Chapters 00:00 The Limits of Israel's Action 03:09 Western Support and Its Implications 05:53 Defining Israel: Beyond Netanyahu 08:46 Israeli Society and Its Perception of Peace 12:10 The Role of Trauma in Israeli Society 14:59 The Impact of International Pressure on Israel 17:53 Understanding Hamas and Hezbollah 21:12 The Economic Interests Behind Conflict 33:49 Conclusion: Rethinking the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict