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Odd Nerdrum and Jan-Ove Tuv see the introverts as guardians of humanism throughout history. In this second conversation from the Nerdrum museum, this is contrasted with how extroverts typically "follow the times" with little regard for the consequences. Where the introverts go in depth and represent pity, the extroverts follow the prevailing ideology. The theme is illustrated through discussion around modernists such as Cézanne and Matisse, as well as classical masters such as Zorn, Rubens and Rembrandt. 00:00 Introduction about the evening's theme 02:23 The Middle Ages and "the modern" 08:12 The extrovert and time - versus the Greek concept of eternity 16:04 The necessity of impersonal criteria 20:31 Mondrian vs Scherfbeck 29:06 So-called "forgeries": Michelangelo and van Meegeren 35:49 Alchemy of the Greeks 42:06 "African" vs. Nigerian Ife sculpture 45:54 Munch's The Sick Child. And the tax authorities 48:09 Extroverted bureaucrats, mad kings and the weak man 53:48 Refugee in his own time 56:27 Ducreux vs Rembrandt: irony or seriousness 58:03 Zorn vs Rembrandt: the office look or empathy 1:00:30 Rembrandt's development: from the gold chain for the face 1:03:28 Spencer vs Rembrandt 1:04:57 de Kooning vs Rubens' firm women 1:10:53 Picasso vs Watts' perspective of eternity 1:16:13 A picture for the deathbed (Matisse vs Watts) 1:20 :55 How could the modern take over? 1:22:14 Cèzanne vs Eugene Carriere 1:28:28 Cézanne and Carriere - and Rembrandt's woman from the underworld 1:31:39 The ego, geo and "heliocentric" perspective The conversation took place at the Nerdrum Museum in Stavern. For more information and to buy tickets: https://nerdrummuseum.com Filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum Music: Felix Draeseke, Requiem, Op.22 - VIII. Agnus Dei (Private recording)