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Support Blast, a new independent media: https://www.blast-info.fr/soutenir Since the election of Emmanuel Macron until the dissolution of the National Assembly, there have been many comments on the "madness" of Emmanuel Macron, "artisan of chaos". Feeling it and saying it is one thing; analyzing what this pathology consists of at the heart of power is another. This is the whole challenge of the patient work of sociologist and CNRS researcher Marc Joly, author of a formidable essay to be published next week "Perverse thought in power" (Anamosa publisher), of which in addition to this interview, Blast is publishing the excerpts. Articulating sociological research and psychoanalysis, in particular based on the work of psychiatrist and psychoanalyst Paul-Claude Racamier, he reveals here, in this scholarly, meticulous, fascinating and unprecedented interview, what is actually at stake in France today: a narcissistic madness and an accomplished perversity that rebound on and mistreat an entire people. Fasten your seatbelts, this dizzying zoom-out allows us to understand what happened to us and what will still take us by surprise. Sensitive hearts or Macronists should abstain. Journalist: Denis Robert Editing: Mélanie Ciais Sound: Baptiste Veilhan Graphics: Morgane Sabouret Production: Hicham Tragha Program Director: Mathias Enthoven Editor-in-Chief: Soumaya Benaïssa Publication Director: Denis Robert Website: https://www.blast-info.fr/ Facebook: / blastofficiel Twitter: / blast_france Instagram: / blastofficiel Mastodon: https://mamot.fr/web/@blast_info Peertube: https://video.blast-info.fr/ Twitch: / blastinfo #Interview #Macron #Elysée