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A doctor and a bodyworker look at the liver organ from different perspectives. This involves much more than just its physiological role. In TCM, an organ represents a large range of forms, which also includes certain emotions and mental attitudes... In TCM, the liver is associated with the wood element, and the wood element is the element of spring. Spring is full of dynamism, movement, and rapid changes. This is also the case with this conversation, which repeatedly goes beyond the technical foundation and is devoted to very personal views and insights, as well as philosophical questions. Conclusion: A wonderful TCM chat with depth.