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Online discussion of the CEO Club, dedicated to the topic of balancing a business leader between active civic activities and supporting one's own business. The meeting also discussed the feeling of guilt that arises when shifting the focus from volunteering to business, what a modern leader should be like, and where the line between the activities of the state and the private sector is. Experts: — Igor Liski, Chairman of the Supervisory Board of "Effective Investments", co-founder of the Ukrainian Institute of the Future, member of the CEO Club. — Andriy Baumeister, philosopher, public intellectual. Moderator: Natalia Yaromenko, owner of Color Trend, member of the CEO Club. 00:00 How a businessman can combine civic activities and the role of a business leader 18:38 Why community solidarity is important for getting rid of guilt 31:06 What is the power of the state 48:47 How not to lose business while saving the state 59:16 Modern Ukrainian leaders: who are they? 01:06:27 The national idea of Ukraine that will unite Europe 01:19:06 How to preserve Ukrainian identity in the space of freedom