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Amidst America's rivalry with China, how should Indonesia respond? #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #MartyNatalegawa ------------------ Recorded September 14, 2024 at our podcast's biggest conference, Endgame Town Hall. ------------------ Previous conversations with Marty: • Marty Natalegawa: ASEAN Must Have a S... Other Endgame episodes you might also like: • James Robinson: The World Is Rebalance... • Trump, Biden, and Foreign Policy Miss... • Graham Allison: China-Russia Axis is ... ------------------ Subscribe to Endgame Channel so we can continue to provide quality content: https://sgpp.me/becomemember ------------------ Explore and discuss more of this episode at https://endgame.id/ ------------------ For collaboration and cooperation invitations, contact us here: https://sgpp.me/contactus ------------------ 0:00:00 - Intro 0:01:06 - Realist-idealist view of today's geopolitics 0:07:35 - ASEAN centrality is starting to be eroded 0:11:56 - Connie Rahakundini Bakrie's message from Russia 0:16:43 - Our foreign policy is free and active, not neutral 0:19:20 - BRICS: Is it a risk for ASEAN? 0:22:41 - Southeast Asia's history of peace 0:27:58 - Indonesia must lead the direction of the Global South discourse 0:32:25 - Be careful with the term 'Middle Power' 0:36:43 - Indonesia, a bridge between nations 0:44:32 - Should we be wary of the South China Sea 0:54:56 - Astro-politics 1:00:33 - Intellectual equality for frontier issues